Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Frodsham

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The result was keep‎. No argument for deletion has been advanced except the nominating editor's. A merge can be proposed and discussed on the relevant talk page outside of AfD. (non-admin closure) IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 03:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Frodsham[edit]

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Article has been around for a long time. Footballer who perished before making his debut for a big club, brings WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOTMEMORIAL into question. Despite there being a significant coverage cited in the article already, it doesn't necessarily mean that the subject should have its own article. A more natural place to discuss the subject would be at 1994–95 Liverpool F.C. season. Geschichte (talk) 14:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generally I find just about anyone with a feature in The Athletic to be notable; especially one with a feature decades after his death. Haven't looked for other sources yet. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge with Liverpool F.C. Reserves and Academy. Although his own career was cut short and thus cannot meet notability requirements, we are told that the academy has an Ian Frodsham Indoor Arena and an Ian Frodsham Memorial Award, neither of which get a mention on the Academy page (although the award itself seems to be listed but unnamed). So that is a very small amount of mergeable content that would improve an existing page. Whether a sentence or two on Frodsham (to explain why there is a memorial) is called for would be an editorial decision for that page. The redirect left by a merge is also plausible. Anyone searching for Frodsham is most likely looking for something to do with the academy and the eponymous award or arena. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions.CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:59, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Besides The Athletic feature (which to be clear, doesn't give anyone inherent notability), found [[1]] and [[2]]. Do think that WP:ONEEVENT argument does have some validity. Let'srun (talk) 13:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources above (primarily The Athletic) which show notability. I imagine there's more offline newspaper sources. Giant Snowman 19:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect per Sirfurboy I am total agreement here with him. I don't see enough of a qualifier for his own article, however it's certainly enough to merge and note in the reserves article. Govvy (talk) 10:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The extensive and detailed Athletic article is from a quarter-century after he died. This isn't just the typical "promising athlete dies young" one-time coverage. Not surprisingly with a major local tournament and a significant building named after him, there's ongoing local coverage, such as this and this - which alone doesn't amount to much, but ongoing it is going to result in searches on this topic. There'seven some coverage from his youth like this and this. There was coverage when it was announced by the club that he was fighting cancer, a year before he died. And there was coverage in both England and Wales when he died in 1996, with The People noting that his "fight against cancer touched the hearts of millions of People readers" while another paper said that "was already being spoken of as a future England international". This looks like a WP:BEFORE failure. Nfitz (talk) 20:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per above. Even without acting, this type of event corroborates an important chapter in the history of Liverpool FC as a club. With the presentation of the sources above, an article of its own is sustainable. Svartner (talk) 20:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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